Wednesday, November 30, 2005

Wow. Interesting link.

http://www.spiritualabuse.com/

Thought of the Moment from today:

"When your words and actions tear down another, or attack or weaken a person's standing as a Christian to gratify you, your position or your beliefs, while at the same time weakening or harming another that is spiritual abuse." from the Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse

(can't fully endorse the site as I've only spent an hour or so on there, but pretty interesting. Talks about the Local Church in the Forums...)

Comforting words...

About a month ago, after coming to the realization that my faith was quickly disappearing, my wife and I talked and I realized I should bring it to the attention of the pastor of the church we are currently attending. So, we called and schedule a time for them to come over and hang out after church one Sunday. We had a great talk, and the pastor followed up with me via email later in the week.

I thought I'd post our email exchange. I found his love and compassion to be very apparent in his approach with me. Good stuff here! For those still left scratching their heads trying to grasp my doubt in God at the moment... please feel free to read our email conversation shared here. It may be insightful.

Read on, read on...Before our meeting together, I wrote my pastor this:

"Hey there Mr. Pastor!

Just touchin’ base with you… we are on for this Sunday after church for grub and hangin’ out at my house, yeah? We are lookin’ forward to it!

Life finds me in a very, um…. NEW and interesting place right now. I’m sure at some point, our conversation on Sunday will venture in to spiritual things, and so I thought I’d share with you via email a little bit so that you can be brought up to date a little bit on whats going on with me. Following is an excerpt from an email I wrote to my dad in September of this year. This is not a quick, knee jerk, emotional email … nor as it designed to defend where I’m at… it does, however, give a general feel for what exists in the depths of my heart.

Just yesterday, I was talking with my pops and he reminded me that this leg of my life’s journey began quite a while ago… even BEFORE the church stuff hit the fan. He reminded me of the fact that about one year to any public turmoil started at NH, I put out a voicemail to each of the elders asking the question, “What is the basis for your faith? When all around you fails, your intellect has no answer, and the bible’s promises seem contradictory or too distant to cling to… what keeps your faith doing?”

One year later, it all hit the fan… my faith was shaken, I hit the books (Bible primarily, assisted by commentaries and essays and such), found unanswerable questions… and the peace that comes through faith has eluded me since. My faith is… no more. Destroyed by what I’m calling disillusionment and an inability to reconcile my intellectual challenges with what is taught by both the Bible and quite separately, the church. Though, I have not lost hope that it will return… for now … my faith is as gone as gone can be.

So, without further delay… here is what I wrote to my pops in September of this year. :

see: "A Written Confession"

Much love Mr. Pastor!… hope to see you Sunday! (ps. Don’t feel the obligation to reply to the email as we will talk soon, but if you are so inclined, know that I do in fact check my email about 1 million times per day, weekends included.)

I sent the email off, we got together after church, and talked. It was a good talk.... heart to heart sharing. He expressed his love for us and his confidence that God would see me through this time. Later, he wrote this:
Hey Miroslav,

When my wife and I got home from your house the other day she mentioned that it seemed like I was not taking your dark journey seriously enough. In her opinion it seemed like I was downplaying the seriousness of your searching and just saying, "O, never mind, everything will be o.k., you're just being silly." That was certainly not my intent. I was intending to say that I have complete confidence in eternal God who made the heavens and the earth, who understands the mysteries of our universe. I know that He is able to reach out to you, even if you are not able to find Him. Please don't interpret my confidence in God to be apathy to you. That said, I would like to begin an email conversation with you regarding your search. Please get the ball rolling by answering this question: "What would God have to do to convince you that He is worth serving with your time, money and talents (ie: giving your life to Him and dying to self) once again?"

Mr. Pastor
I wrote him back soon after with this (nice and wordy, just how I like it):

Mr. Pastor,

Rest assured that I did not find your response to my quandry to be lacking compassion. I know you well enough to know you love me and care for me. I think I understand pretty well what your hope is for my situation... That God is bigger than me and can answer me and meet me in my desperation.

I LOVE the idea of an ongoing dialogue about this stuff. Though I have to warn you that I enjoy writing, debate, and theology... so don't be surprised to find that my emails tend to get a bit um... lengthy. hehe. Also, I will be writing totally off the cuff with not much proof-reading for content, so let me state ahead of time that these are just my immediate thoughts and I may from time to time overstate or understate any given thought or opinion. Fair enough?

SO...on to it then.

"What would God have to do to convince you that He is worth serving with your time, money and talents (ie: giving your life to Him and dying to self) once again?"

Where to start in answering this question? It has been posed to me before (or a variation at least) by both my dad and friends. I want to be clear that I DO want to serve God again, ... but only once I know that who or what I'm serving actually exists and that I'm not acting out of habit, social pressure, or grabbing hold of a faith just for faith's sake.

I don't quite recall my answer to my dad and my friends back when they asked it, but I will say that upon reading it here in the email, the first thought that comes to my head is to say this: nothing. God does not have to do ANYTHING to convince me of anything he doesn't want to. Right? I mean, that point is just to say that he is not obliged to perform or prove himself to me or any of his creations for that matter.

And not only does he have no obligation to convince me, but I would go as far as to say that if he wants to convince me, its not me who gets to determine HOW that convincing will occur, nor can I really pretend that I know how it all works.

I guess what I'm trying to say by those statements is that the God of the Bible does not seem to be bound by any rules or formulas as to how He reveals Himself to us people. To some he appears in person (Abraham, Job, Doubting Thomas, Disciples, Paul, etc.), others he performs miracles for to demonstrate his love (Israel, various healing acts, etc.), others simply hear about him and believe (Roman centurion, woman who touched his garment), and still others seem to just get a vague story and find a saving faith (I'm thinking of Matthew 13 here, or the repentant criminal that hung next to Jesus who confessed last minute). One of the messages that appears pretty clear to me in Matthew 13 is that Jesus doesn't make too much of an effort to spell things out to people... and why? because, he says:"The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them." A pretty deep thought if you really think about it.

Apparently, by the stories told in the Bible, his level of "performance" or demonstration is not what causes faith (now I'm thinking of the story of Jesus explaining why he won't raise others from the dead, because even if they were raised from the dead a bunch of times, they still would not believe).

The second angle I would take on this question is that I don't think it applies to my situation very much. Several people that I've spoke to have tried to paraphrase my heart's troubles by saying, "Ok... so you are mad at God?" or "Hmm... so you have been let down a lot and are turning your back on God?" or "So you don't understand God and so you are telling him he has to prove himself to you." .... NO NO NO. All I'm saying is this: I DO NOT KNOW MUCH OF ANYTHING FOR CERTAIN and I can't pretend that I do. That inner faith and confidence that is in all ways completely intangible, unexplainable, and even referred to as "foolishness" in the Bible (at least by unbelievers) ... it is gone. I did not choose to push it down or abandon my faith. Its like ... hmmm., the best way to try to get across what it feels like on my end is this. Just as a new believer will tell you ten times over that what he/she has received was not of themselves and was freely given to them fully apart from their doing and that they don't understand it at all, thats what this feels like.... just the reverse. Make sense?

It is for the same reason, I don't think that a debate with a non-believer as to why they are wrong and Christ is right ever yields much. Its not whats missing. They don't need their mind to be convinced, or God to prove himself, they need faith to be given to them. Isn't that what the Bible teaches? Isn't that why Christ himself gave no answer to those who put him on the cross?

So, to sum it up, I think I've avoided answering your question entirely because I don't think it applies to either myself or the God of the Bible. Not meaning to be a jerk here... and not trying to be elusive. Thats just my honest thoughts on the question. I don't think that my lack of faith can be pinned down to a list of demands that I'm going to issue to God. If he exists and I'm his creation, I don't have the right to be issuing demands. If he exists and is the God of the Bible, he doesn't seem to work that way anyways. If he did, the raped little girls of the world would not continue to be abused, and the children dying in Africa would have food in their mouths... for surely they cry to God to show himself in such ways....

ping... pong.... ball is in your court. :)

Miroslav


Mr. Pastor wrote back a while later...

Miroslav,

O.K. So that was way too long to wait for a response from me I know. But life has been a little too busy for some weeks now. Yet, here I am and I am honored once again to be part of this conversation and part of your journey. I love you brother. But you know that.

I just received news that one my good friends died of a heart attack. He was 36 years old, just married a year or so ago and has a newborn daughter. Wow. That puts life in perspective. I feel fortunate that we can even have a discussion about anything.

Now to your repy. I get it. Wrong question. But it was the obvious place to start.
Let's try again. But I really connect with your illustration that you've experienced saving faith in reverse. That's chilling.

Maybe you will be able to re-discover your faith if we begin with your first love. Instead of starting with what's broken and moving towards how to fix it, let's try were you ever truly in a place of faith? Did you ever understand and believe in the God of the Bible in more than an intellectual way? So, describe your greatest moments of connection and certainty.

Mr. Pastor

Hmmm... Good idea I figured. So I wrote him back:

Mr. Pastor,

No apologies necessary! REALLY! And of course I know you love me.

My deepest condolences to a lost friend. I agree that such tragedy places our struggles and frustrations in life in a whole new light.

On with the new question:

Maybe you will be able to re-discover your faith if we begin with your first love. - GREAT THOUGHT!

Instead of starting with what's broken and moving towards how to fix it, let's try were you ever truly in a place of faith? Did you ever understand and believe in the God of the Bible in more than an intellectual way? - yes, yes, and YES. I trusted Christ in every area of my life in a very real and tangible way (though obviously I was not perfect in applying my faith at all times)... I also encouraged others follow and trust in Him as well, citing my own testimony, the Bible, and the Holy Spirit as evidence to His reality. I viewed EVERY life event as one small part in the greater story of God... I believed in heaven, hell, original sin, Christ's attoning blood, salvation through faith alone, and the singular Truth of Christ, that is to say that there are no other gods but He alone. (I'm writing believed here as if I totally DO NOT believe any of it now, but please don't take it to be such a strong negative stance).

So, describe your greatest moments of connection and certainty. - eek. This could be a long email! Hmmm... for sake of ease, lets start with what I've already written about on my blog. Here are my greatest spiritual moments in immediate memory and the blog-link to see what I've written about each already. Of course, my current writing challenges what I previously described as GOD WORKING IN MY LIFE... since now I'm in a state of disbelief, but I assure you there was no doubt in my mind at the time:

1) Worship experience - from childhood to present day is the most reliable way for me to connect with God. (best "first love" one on one experience with God and me alone. First , but not only, experience of the Holy Spirit, confirmation of God's presence and reality, and the loving/abba side of God)

2) My confession of a life-long porn addiction and reversal of lifestyle. (best experience in confession and repentance)

3) My part in leading an Agonia class through very tough marriages (this was my best experience in walking others through TRUE pain and hurt and applying Biblical principles to find forgiveness and peace... Also revealed to me the limits to human reasoning of justice, and the depth of heartache and evil in the world).

Good start?

And the most recent email response from him is here, which I thought was a great summary and temporary conclusion to our conversation.

Miroslav,

Your blog is great. Long, but great. I haven't read everything on there, but looked through it all.

So, back to the issue at hand...

I'm linear. I like to think in lines of progression. Since we started over, I asked if you had ever experienced faith. Your answer was a resounding YES. You have very real and tangible memories of saving faith. God has, in the past, allowed you to taste of His goodness and the reality of His resurrection power that is able to change lives and transform relationships. Amen? So, I have no doubt that you have entered into an eternal relationship with Him. He has promised to be your loving heavenly father and you have in turn promised to be His obedient child.

If all this is true, and I believe that we have established that it is, then your problem is not that you have lost your relationship, but your fellowship. Let me explain. Your relationship is something that can never change. God is just as much your Father now as He was five years ago. Let me illustrate what I mean.

When I lived away from home, I had a relationship with my family. My mom lived in the city still and we did not see each other or even talk on the phone for months at a time. During these times I felt the distance in our relationship, but I was just as much my mother's son and she was just as much my mom as when I was in her presence. Our fellowship was broken by distance. Our relationship was unchanged.

If I had decided that I never wanted to return home and see my mom again, our fellowship would suffer and we would lose a lot of our feelings for each other, but she would still be my mom and I her son. If you never had a relationship with God, that would be your greatest need. But you are His and He is able to keep you safe from sin for eternity.

You are in the same relationship that you were before in regards to your Heavenly Father. He is still your Father and you are still His son. What you are experiencing is a break in Fellowship. Something is stopping you from experiencing communication and communion like you once had. So, from here we need to answer the question, "What would stop you from experiencing the feelings that you once felt?"

There are a few possibilities:

1. God may have chosen to remove His blessing from you so that you might demonstrate belief despite circumstances as He did with Job.

2. You may have experienced a great hurt in your life that has caused you to doubt.

3. Satan may have tricked you into thinking that your faith was based on feelings and not on facts.

No matter the reason that you are suffering now, God is still the maker of the World, the Savior from your sins and the One who alone can open your eyes to understand this journey.

I suggest that you don't demand to understand this dark time, but rather choose to obey God in the midst of it. If you do, you will come to know God on a deeper level than you ever could have without the doubt.

"Now faith is the reality of what is hoped for, the proof of what is not seen." Hebrews 11:1

"Now without faith it is impossible to please God, for the one who draws near to Him must believe that He exists and rewards those who seek Him." Hebrews 11:6

In His Grip,

Mr. Pastor

Tuesday, November 29, 2005

What a jerk.

Great great comment here. Unfortunately its knee deep in a very long post. I thought it would be good to pull it out for some fresh air for all to see.

[Regarding Free Will & God's Sovereignty]

Anonymous said...
Paradox: A seemingly contradictory statement that may nonetheless be true.Though there is no room in the Truth for contradiction, there is ample evidence of paradox.


So simple, so short, so true.

Jerk. This is MY blog. Quit trying to hog all the attention.

Need to quit my day job...

Man, I've received a lot of amazingly loving and thought provoking responses here. Thank you! I wish I could spend more time blogging! (I will respond to just about everything, but it will take time).

Just today I finally had to tweak my Outlook settings at work so that when a comment is added to my blog it gets put in a seperate folder. If I hadn't done that, my INBOX would have continued to be blasted with all this great feedback and I'd continue to be sidetracked from my work. There were a couple of times at the office when I looked up and like thirty or fourty minutes had gone by and I hadn't gotten any work done, was just reading and thinking about all these comments. hehe...

As it is, I have two posts that I've been really chomping at the bit to put up, but I haven't had the time. Unfortunately, I have all the info at work, so I can't do it tonight. DOH! Maybe late tomorrow afternoon, we'll see.

Monday, November 28, 2005

Regarding Chapter 7

Read a quote by F.H. Bradley in his Preface to Appearance and Reality. The relavance of the quote made me laugh out loud upon reading it. It struck me as appropriate to share it here in light of my writings in Chapter 7.

"Where all is rotten it is a man's work to cry stinking fish."

What type of love is that?

Ok readers, help me out here.

David Porta wrote a comment to an earlier post that got me thinking. In my response to him, I mentioned that I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the concept of a god who Scripture tells us is both "Our Father", loving, and 100% good... and the idea that he has knowingly created most people with the unavoidable eternal destiny of hell (not looking to argue this point, see Romans 9).

My question is this: "Does the Bible tell us that God is to be called Father by all of humanity or only those who have been redeemed?" I'm thinking that it is the latter as I remember John 8.

Read more of my thoughts!
It becomes even more clear to me that the God of the Bible is not quite as nice as what is preached from some Evangelical Churches here in the good ol' USA. No, He is quite different than what is so often suggested. What are we to make of a God who knowingly creates people who are destined to a life of pain followed by eternal hell and suffering? Romans 9 tells us we can't even ask such questions, to just be grateful we are among the chosen. I suppose that if we ARE among the chosen, and Christ is God... that is a very logical position to take for on what grounds can creations to question the creator.

All of this, I'm realizing more and more each day, points back to the cross. It is either a myth, or it is Truth. With that point more defined, I happen to believe that the Bible doesn't leave room for us to simply "make a decision for Christ." I think that particular version of the gospel, which I've heard preached more often than not, is a much nicer and palatable gospel than the one that is presented in the Bible. Instead, I think the Bible tells us clearly that some are chosen to believe, and others are chosen to have their hearts hardened and ears shut to the message. It is not so much our choice as it is HIS. He will either quicken us to faith and action, or He will not. And this choice is based on His foreknowledge... some of us he foreknew, others He did not (whatever that means).

Miroslav is left scratching his head again... in part wondering what he thinks of the cross, and also wondering what type of God is described by the Bible and how He could possibly be called LOVE...

Oh, one other thing. Tre' Cheesy but I won't let that stop me. On the way to work I heard this old glam rock song. Its spoke to me man. ;D
Something to Believe In - POISON

Will I see him on the tv
Preachin’ ’bout the promised land
He tells me to believe in jesus
And steals the money from my hand
Some say he was a good man
But lord I think he sinned, yeah
Twenty-two years of mental tears
Cries a suicidal vietnam vet
Who fought a losing war on a foreign shore
To find his country didn’t want him back
Their bullets took his best friend in saigon
Our lawyers took his wife and kids, no regrets
In a time I don’t remember
In a war he can’t forget
He cried forgive me for what I’ve done there
Cause I never meant the things I did

Chorus:And give me something to believe in
If there’s a lord above
And give me something to believe in
Oh, lord arise

My best friend died a lonely man
In some palm springs hotel room
I got the call last christmas eve
And they told me the news
I tried all night not to break down and cry
As the tears rolled down my face
I felt so cold and empty
Like a lost soul out of place
And the mirror, mirror on the wall
Sees my smile it fades again

Chorus

Sometimes I wish to God I didn’t know now
The things I didn’t know then
Road you gotta take me home

I drive by the homeless sleeping on a cold dark street
Like bodies in an open grave
Underneath the broken old neon sign
That used to read "JESUS SAVES"
A mile away live the rich folks
And I see how they’re living it up
While the poor they eat from hand to mouth
The rich is drinkin’ from a golden cup

And it just makes me wonder
Why so many lose, so few win

You take the high road
And I’ll take the low road

Sometimes I wish to God I didn’t know now
The things I didn’t know then
And give me something to believe in

Friday, November 25, 2005

Chapter 7d - Hear Ye! Hear Ye!

** Be sure to read Chapter 7a, Chapter 7b, and Chapter 7c first! **

My father's fall from grace was almost complete.

His EPL had now been tucked into a far corner... and instead, he held in his hand a new statement, one that had been co-authored with the elders of the church. My father had written his own statement, trying his best to speak truthfully and from his heart while also using some key words that the senior pastor told him he wanted to be included in the "confession." But John, the elder charged by the senior pastor to approve this letter, was not happy with the original version my father wrote. They wrestled back and forth for a while... my father unwilling to say some things the elders wanted him to say, and John, unwilling to allow my father to say some things my dad wanted to say. But in the end, my dad agreed to a statement that he felt he could live with (at the time). He was to read it in front of the entire church congregation immediately following the normal service.



Read more!

It was an odd Sunday waiting for this thing to be read. A packed sanctuary. Unusually packed. It reminded me of an old fashioned guitine execution with folks coming from far off lands to watch. Somehow, on this Sunday, there were people at our church who hadn't come in months. For some of them it had been YEARS. It was almost as if somebody had invited them.

I was not given the chance to read the statement before hand... and so I had a knot in my stomach as I watched my dad walk up on to the stage. The same stage he had preached from and lead worship on, he was now about to use as a platform to read this statement of apology. It felt almost like an out of body experience. I was watching this completely unimaginable and crazy thing unfold right before my eyes and it seemed entirely surreal.

Head low, tears in his eyes... my dad walked up to the front and read the stupid thing.

His presentation was not wholly without emotion, but anybody who knew my father at all knew that it wasn't quite... right. I have to imagine that most people wrote it off as embarassment on account of the entire awkwardness of the whole situation. Later, the manner in which my dad presented the statement would be held against him as evidence that he was playing some sort of game, or that he was lying through his teeth when he read it. But this was no game. And my father was confused, he was not lying. No, he was, as I mentioned in the last chapter... just like a key eyewitness to a crime who was confused enough to believe he was all alone... bullied and threatened into fear, confusion, and self doubt by the perpetrators of the crime. My dad was made to think it was all HIS fault... it was HIM who was arrogant enough to think that he knew better than the rest (people he had trusted in and walked through life with for over thirty years)... and now he must admit it in front of everybody once and for all to settle the matter. If he were to say otherwise? Well, that would only prove their accusations against him were true.

The statement by my father, in a nutshell, went something like this: Me bad; they good. Me threaten to leave; they nothing but good friends and kind. Me proud; they humble and merciful. Me hard to work with; they patient and loving. Me stepping down; they will continue on. And the final line? "Do not worry, we love you... and we are not going anywhere." (Remember this line, for it became a key part of my father's statement that would cause other members of the church tons and tons of heartache and confusion for years to come.)

The senior pastor followed my father's statement with a passionate message to the congregation. He enumerated to the congregation thoughts concerning the long standing efforts to keep the "collegial" nature of the eldership in tact, but that my dad only listened to his own counsel.

** Later, it would be discovered that this effort to paint my father as an arrogant and power-hungry man was very misleading. For the senior pastor had been demanding "more authority" from the other elders for the last six weeks proceeding the firing of my father. The senior pastor "felt from the Lord" that he needed additional authority to break the elders free from disagreements, in essence, an tie-breaking vote where his opinion counted doubly (oops, forgot the past... Chapter 7a - Doomed Repetition)! Most of the disagreements that arose where issues that my father was fighting against which, of course, was also later held against him as evidence of pride and arrogance! And so, in reality, the self-righteous claim of equality between the elders, was one that the senior pastor himself had been seeking to change, and my father was the only elder who would not give it to him (also outlined in the EPL.) **

The senior pastor went on talking about the shock of discovering this dreadful amount of pride and arrogance in my father... how the senior pastor empathized with the congregation in what they must be feeling... how they must feel so betrayed knowing the "underneath all the good" my father had done over the twenty plus years of service that there "lay this secret sin of pride." The pastor admonished the congregation not to focus fully on the bad, but to look upon my father with mercy and grace remembering the good things that had been done dispite this undercurrent of pride. The pastor promised of an effort to address the problems in my dad's charater with a program of restitution... and before long, maybe even restoration.

And it was done.

But somewhere during the senior pastor's message, a stirring began inside my father (and mine I must say) that reminded him of what was really going on. Just as the confused eyewitness gains a sickening clarity as he watches the criminal stroll out of the courtroom, so my father began to have misgivings about what had been done. But what now? What could he do from here?

Still confused and feeling lost, my father once again relied on what had served him well over the years... faith and trust. And when I say faith and trust, I mean faith and trust in God. My father trusted God to work a miracle. To make something good out of what had become so bad in so many ways. But a huge part of the problem was that our church had a culture that so often equated trusting God with trusting the leadership of the church that the lines often became indistinguishable. And so my father walked, by faith, in error. He was willing to do what the senior pastor and elders required thinking that he was doing the right and noble thing.

But soon enough, things would get a whole lot clearer for my dad and step-mom. For at this point, not only had the crime occured and the criminal walked... but the focus had shifted to this eyewitness who had crumbled under the pressure of the trial, my father. Yes, the entire focus of the eldership now turned to "fixing" this man who had publicly admitted the sin of all sins, PRIDE.

Oddly enough, one of the first things that the leaders did was to send my dad and step-mom on a cruise. Go ahead and re-read the last sentance. Ponder it. But don't try to figure it out 'cause it simply doesn't make a ton of sense. I'll give a brief explanation, but it still won't make too much sense. Remember my father's old friend and co-elder Tommy? The one who pushed him to write the EPL in the first place? Well, for some reason... he now was convinced that part of the solution to my dad's arrogance problem included a little R&R on an all expenses paid cruise trip. NOBODY else wanted to go along with this idea... but Tommy pushed and pushed and pushed, and it was finally given the thumbs-up by the elders and off my dad and step-mom went.

When they returned from the trip, it was announced to them that a "restoration program" had been designed by the elders and would be lead by the senior pastor himself. It was said that this program was designed to "let others speak into" my father's life. The program mandidated that my father and step-mom go to a weekly small group that would be led by the senior pastor and his wife. Additionally, both my father and my step-mom would be immediately put in to a mentoring program, matched with some of the people that they now knew had been gossiping behind their backs for many years. (Isn't that just plain cruel?) My father was also to meet with Tommy and some other old friends who had failed to stand with my father during the heat of all of this, people who were now publicly calling my father proud and arrogant, and people who had failed to speak up in support of my father's convictions even though they shared them.

And what of the issues brought up in EPL? When would they begin to be addressed? When would a team of leaders from within the church be assembled to walk through the serious accusations and implications? When would an outside resource come in to help manage the betrayal and gossip that had taken place? They wouldn't be. For the EPL was now identified as ramblings of an arrogant man and were held only as evidence of the pride in my father's heart. He was the problem. To address his accusations would only give credence to them. And that would not be tolerated. But there was another reason that his accusations weren't taken seriously... but I'll keep that for the next chapter.

Even with all the craziness, my father wanted to press on. Well, more accurately, he was willing to press on. Even as broken and weird and horribly twisted as it was, he was willing to keep at it.

But for my step-mom, it was all too weird. None if it made sense. She heard the whisperings of other people and saw the way they looked at her and her husband now. Things were different and she was not going to go any further with what she was becoming more and more aware was a rouse. She announced to my dad after the church's Annual Harvest Fair that she was done with New Hope.

But come on now step-mom! Wouldn't you expect things to be different after a public rebuke and being removed from office? Of course they would be! It is hard to bear the weight of moral failures. Just ask anybody who has been caught and removed from office and their failures made public!

But let me interject one thing here. What is it that makes such weighty and difficult times bearable? I would suggest that the only reason that any person who has undergone such radical disciplinary actions as my father did, would be willing or able to continue on in the discipline is if they are convinced and convicted that the accusations against them are true and just. A pastor who is found in bed with another woman, for instance, would go through similar public humiliation that my father did. But what would make the pain of all that bearable for him would be the fact that he knew what he did was wrong and he was repentant for it.

But in this story, the story of my father and my step-mom, they were not convinced. At moments confused... but never fully convinced. And the more that time passed, the more the accusations against my father came in to focus, and the more that my dad and step-mom were reminded of how sideways the leadership had become.

Three weeks after my step-mom's decisioni to stop going to New Hope, my father and the senior pastor met over a cup of coffee. My dad explained to the pastor that he had gone to his closest friend and fellow elder Tommy along with another of friend in the church of fifteen years and met with them on three seperate occasions, asking them for examples of the"pride" that they had now were proclaiming was a major sin in his life. He left each meeting without a single example given by either of them. Neither could they give an answer as to why the issue had never been addressed in the years of their friendship up to this point.

And so, my father challanged the senior pastor further with a question, "If this sin of pride and arrogance was such a powerful force in my life, how has my wife escaped the effect it would have on her after fifteen years of marriage?"

The pastor answered, "Because you are so good at what you do that you have fooled her!"

My dad answered, "From this moment on, my family and I are no longer under the authority of you or NewHope."

** Continue the story with Chapter7e **

Thursday, November 24, 2005

Quote that made me laugh...

I chuckled when I heard this today:

"Christianity is the only religion on the face of the earth that shoots its wounded."




**Miroslav ducks for cover....**

Two-Faced Man

What say I to the smiling two-faced man
Who casually approaches and extends his hand?

Tuesday, November 22, 2005

Chapter 7c - Things Get Messy

** Be sure to read Chapter 7a and Chapter 7b first! **

And so my father was: with the EPL in his hand and a warning from Tommy. And this warning came from Tommy despite the fact that the Tommy believed the EPL was true, accurate, and written in love. Tommy did not disputed any of the claims in the EPL... and yet he did not think that was the point. He was far more concerned about how the other elders would PERCEIVE the accusations than anything else. At the time, Tommy felt that my father should explore other methods that he felt would be more effective in dealing with the issues that plagued the leadership. (Since then Tommy has changed his mind and come to the realization that the method had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome. For since my dad's efforts failed, many methods have been attempted by many other people, including Tommy himself. And all ended with the similar result. In a phone conversation several years later, Tommy would confess to me that criticizing my dad "was a bit like criticizing a 5'2" guy trying to stop Shaq from dunking. It really wouldn't matter how well he tried to play Defense... Shaq is going to dunk the ball.")

So anyhow, back to the story. Read more...
At that time, there were five elders... which included the three full-time paid pastors (the senior pastor, the gossiping pastor, and my father) and two unpaid elders (one of which was Tommy, my father's friend of thirty years). The meeting was to happen in the later part of the evening on a Sunday.

I remember talking to my dad about the upcoming meeting just prior to him heading out. I asked him how he was feeling. His response? "Hopeful, my boy, very hopeful."

I didn't hear anything back from him that night.

The next day I saw him in the morning and he looked absolutely horrible. And if you know my dad, he is really not the type of guy that ever looks like he is down. Even if he was dyin', he would be mindful of the guy who has it worse than him and that would make him grateful and would keep his head up. But on this day, he was just DOWN. I remember it was almost scary to see. I asked him how the meeting went. "Absolutely horrible. Worse than I could have ever imagined.... I don't know my boy... I don't know. It was just... awful. There was a rage that took over when *senior pastor* heard what I had to say. I've seen it before... and it was awful." We saw each other only in passing... he was driving off and didn't have much time to talk.

Later in the day, I got a call letting me know that an emergency family meeting had been called... we were meeting at my dads around 6ish. Apparently, my dad had left a copy of the EPL with each of the elders and now small clips from it had been taken (out of context) and had hit the fax machines/emails of various leaders of ministry within the church. My dad only found out about all this because he started fielding calls inquiring about the truth of the claim that he he had made an effort to take over the church! My step-mom was outraged at these accusations and had been receiving calls from her family asking that a family meeting be held. Once my dad heard this, he finally accepted the fact that a family meeting was needed. And once he had done that and word of our family's meeting travelled, the family began fielding calls telling them not to go to the meeting! It was like war had been declared against my dad... he had become Public Enemy #1.

Out of love and respect, my father had kept all of the issues that he had on his mind 100% confidential... he had told nobody outside of the elders and his wife. He had gone to them directly, with bold accusations to be sure, and shot straight from the heart. And now, news was travelling around the congregation that he had tried to take over the church. He was both brokenhearted and outraged, and at the prodding of his family was now willing to set the story straight with his family before further lies were spread. He intended to tell his story and read the EPL to the family to allow them to judge for themselves.

I remember clearly walking down the street with my newly born baby boy in tow. My wife was alongside me. We entered the house and there was such a strange feeling in the air. Nervous aunt and uncles paced. There had to be around fifteen to twenty of us there. Whispers filled the air... "Is it true?" "What have YOU heard?" "I got a call from so and so who said..." ... Others sat silently waiting to see what would happen next. I saw my dad's friend Tommy drive up and I greeted him at the door, surprised to see him there. He looked equally horrible as my dad. His eyes were full of tears and he told me that he was determined to stop my dad from holding the meeting. He searched the house for my father, and found him... we all waited ... and waited... and waited. About 15 minutes later, my father met us in the living room, head hung low. Tears dripping. An unusual and unbecoming aura of shock and bewilderment surrounded him. His whole body seemed to scream, "I can't believe this is happening..." And he began to speak.

He told of the reason for our meeting, that lies were being spread about him. Lies that said that he was trying to take over the church. He assured us he had no desire to do so. He told about how he had held his tongue for so long, keeping these issues hidden from his loved ones out of respect for the leadership of the church. But now, he was holding this meeting because he and my step-mom wanted us, their family, to hear the truth straight from the horse's mouth.

And out came the EPL... he held it firmly in his hands, prepared to read it. Tommy sat one room away, tormented ... hoping and praying that the EPL would NOT be read.

And then, another twist.

My mouth opened, and I spoke.

"Dad, if you don't mind me interrupting... I understand that you have an offense against one of the elders. Is that true?"

"Well, yes...," he said.

"In the Bible it tells us how to deal with accusations and conflict, specifically with elders: that you must have witnesses, and that you must follow a specific process outlined in the book of Matthew. I know you have already confronted the elders, but have you gone back a second time with witnesses as described there? And is there a second party who can testify to your accusations?"

"Yeah, I have witnesses, and I've addressed some of these issues several times with the elders. This isn't anything totally new. Its gone on for a long time. Several years ago, this same type of stuff happened and has happened again and again since," he replied.

"But have you ever gone to the next step and brought others in to witness the discussion and the step after to turn it to the church for a decision? For if you haven't, I cannot sit here and listen to these accusations... me and my family will have to stand up and leave."

And of course, I knew he hadn't.

Others began to chime in that they agreed with me. Some mentioned how much they loved my dad and step-mom and they were seriously saddened by this mess (even though they were ignorant to what was going on) ... they expressed love and care for them. My dad tucked the EPL away content to not read it for the time being as the family assured him that they knew he was not plotting a church takeover. What he needed to do was to go back... go back and take whatever steps need to be taken to fix this thing.

"But you will need to pray for me" my father said. "I have absolutely no faith in those men and refuse to bring my wife into the room with them. They are vicious and it gets so warped and twisted."

My step-mom spoke up and said she had grown up in a house with lots of yelling, and that she was more than willing to confront the eldership.

At any rate, he had to conceed, for I had him by the proverbial Biblical Balls.

What the hell was I doing forcing my dad back in to that mess? I have no clue. Well, thats not true... At the time, I thought it was a pretty noble thing to do to stand up to my own dad for the sake of what was said in the Bible. And hey, maybe it could have turned out really well if he went back in and found a leadership that was willing to deal with the accusations brought up. But that is not quite how things would play out.

The next morning, my father was a broken man. He had wanted to walk away from it all peacefully, then was told by me and Tommy to be honest about what was going on, then had the meeting with the elders (which I haven't even started to talk about yet but lets just say that my dad was ripped a new one!), then had rumors spread that he was taking over the church, then held a family meeting to clear it all up, only to be desperately pleaded with and admonished by his friend Tommy not to proceed, and to top it all had his own son (me) tell him to go back and try again or he'd walk out on the meeting! What a crazy whirlwind of events! The weight and confusion of it all became unbearable... yes, even this man of faith, this man of a man who is my father can break. And he did.

It is my belief that my father was turned inside out and upside down at this point. He had just become painfully aware that the church he had poured his whole life into had a failed leadership. He wanted to walk away, but was forced to confrontation. And then, it all blew up in his face where everywhere he turned he was being told it was his fault. I believe that something inside of him just broke. He began to buy in to the story that it was all his failures and fault at this point and figured that he was missing something.

To be honest, I did not see or talk to my dad the morning after the family meeting. But from what I recall hearing, he met with the senior pastor the next day, whereby my father apologized for saying he would leave the church. My father told the senior pastor that he wanted to give a further effort to work everything out.. the friendships and ministry efforts were just too long-standing to give up on, there were more options to pursure biblically to do things the right way. And so my dad turned himself over to the senior pastor, asking for direction and willingness to go along with whatever the pastor suggested. The meeting was a heart to heart conversation shared between friends of over thirty years. They wept together at the meeting, and left with a shared hope for the future. It was my father's hope and expectation that the next over the next several weeks, each of the accusations brought to the table would be prayed about and addressed... one by one, as truth was sought out. If need be, witnesses would be brought and outside councel sought in an effort to seek truth, peace, and reconciliation.

However, my father's expectations and hopes for the future were much different than those of the other elders because the next day, the senior pastor called my dad and told him that the elders had met and were demanding my father's immediate resignation. They also would hold a public rebuke to be held on the very next Sunday in front of the entire congregation. Furthermore, it was required that the public rebuke include a statement read by my father taking responsibilty for the recent turmoil. The senior pastor feared that unless the words came directly from my father's mouth, nobody would buy the story and would instead become suspicious as to the recent commotion felt from the leadership. My father was also told that a "restoration program" would later be developed by the elders that he would also have to particpate in.

As I learned about this public rebuke and statement that was to be drafted, I began to wonder what the heck was going on. Things were not making sense at all. And everything was moving at lightning speed. Why was all of this happening within one week's time? And why was it all so hidden? It kind of reminded me of how government cover-ups are portrayed in the movies: Quick... decisive... unwaivering in their story... just wanting to give a quick definative answer for the masses and move on.

Looking back, I now know that it was a mixture of confusion and faith that my father agreed to the "discipline." Walking by faith he trusted that the path laid out by the elders would be a good one. Analyzing my dad's decision to go along with everything, I can now say without reservation that it was a mistake for him to back down from the fight that was before him. However, I also say with equal strength that my father was not acting out of arrogance or that he was a liar (as he was later accused of). No, quite the opposite. In a way that can only be understood by those that have experienced spiritual abuse, my father's act of denying his own convictions and trying to accept the blame for it all was actually a result of his love of the church, humility, and confusion. He was becoming a victim of the broken leadership he had participated in and then sought to confront. Not too unlike a whistle-blower in the corporate world...

In order to come up with an agreeable statement to read in front of the church, my dad agreed to meet with the fifth elder, John (who I have not talked about to this point). Later in the week, my dad drafted the original statement and met with John to review it. They wrestled back and forth with the statement over coffee trying to find words agreeable to both the elders and my father. John wanted my father to mention nothing of his accusations against the eldership, but to focus solely on his "failures" (The key failure was arrogantly thinking that he had insight to failures in the leadership... ooh... how horrible a thought!).

What had started as my father rebuking the leadership of the church had now come full circle. It was now my father who was being made to publicly repent for bringing the accusations in the first place.

One night, my wife and I headed over to my dad's house to see how they were doing. As we walked upstairs and started chatting with my dad and step-mom in their room, something seemed... off. If I can return to the analogy of a government cover-up, I would say that my dad seemed to be in the part of the key eyewitness who had been masterfully painted in to a corner by the government in order to keep things under wraps. He seemed... scared. Overpowered. Confused. (Very odd things to see in my father for he surely is a man among men, a strong and confident person. He is the type who holds his head high even when the chips are down and all hope seems to be lost.) And somehow mixed in to all of this, I also saw in his face doubt that maybe he had not had things right in the first place. Maybe he WAS wrong. Could all of these people he had called friends and worked with for so many years really be wrong? No... that couldn't be possible! You have to remember, the church culture of New Hope was such that there were no cosmic exceptions. If nine people in a room saw the matter as white, and you call it black... you were wrong, period, end of story. And remember, my father had allowed this type of cultic mentality to continue by not always putting up a fight when he witnessed horrible leadership decisions being made. He had even particpated and fed this church culture by some of his own actions and decisions. And now all these things had caught up to him and he was collapsing under the weight of it all.

Being the ultra-compassionate son that I am... what do you think I said as I saw my father in this broken state heading towards public rebuke and humiliation?

"Dad, it seems like you are taking the easy way out..."

(ouch.)

"The EASY WAY??! You think its the easy way to take the fall for all of this? To get up in front of four hundred people and say that its my fault? You are nuts," he said.

"I just think you need to get in there and keep duking it out with them and fight for what is right. What are you even saying sorry for?"

"Get out of here... you are crazy... its late and we need to get to sleep," my father said as he shook his head, shocked ... almost amused at my accusation towards him. How could I be telling him he was taking the easy way out?

I did not have the conviction to press him any further, because at this point, it was all becoming very blurry to me. My father was going to be publicly rebuked? For WHAT? Was there some part to the story I was missing? Even if there wasn't more to the story, seeds had begun to be planted in my own heart that yes ... my father must be wrong. After all, if all these other people saw it so clearly, he MUST be wrong. For that is how we lived and breathed and judged such things in the church for so long. I saw nobody standing with him besides my step-mom. Wasn't that proof enough that he was out of line?

And so... worse than a sheep to the slaughter, my dad began the walk towards public defamation. And I say worse, because it is not by its own power that a sheep is killed. My father, however, would lose nearly all he held dear through his own words spoken in front of a church eager to blame somebody for the confusion and angst that was beginning to be felt by this bomb that had been dropped within the leadership.

It was an odd Sunday. More than odd really. We had visitors... people who had left the church months ago, some years ago... had somehow heard of this public rebuking that was to occur, and they made a special trip. Yes, it was a packed house... standing-room only.

** Continue the story with Chapter 7d **

The trouble with me... and them.

Sometimes other Christians seem to think that I'm trying to squish God into a box ... that I am stating that I must be able to understand and/or approve of His ways in order to place my faith in Him. But that is not at all what my position is.

Why do some Christians feel that way about me? Well, I can't say for sure, but I just finished Os Guinness' book, "Unspeakable: Facing Up To Evil In An Age of Genocide and Terror"... and he had a great comment that I think speaks to the issue.

Because of their faith in Jesus...

"Christians do not say to God, "I do not understand you at all, but I trust you anyway." That would be suicidal. Rather, they say, "Father, I do not understand you, but I trust you" -- or more accurately, "I do not understand you in this situation, but I understand why I trust you anyway."


Now THAT makes sense, does it not?! And isn't a great thing to rest in uncertaintity when you have unshakeable faith that the Great One Behind It All is good and kind and pure and just?

But what happens when the "evidence" of life begins to mount suggesting that the one you have placed your faith in is not so good. No, that does not quite capture my point here (for couldn't it be that God's definition of good is happens to be unfathomable by my puny brain?). So, let me try again...

What happens when the "evidence" of life begins to mount suggesting that what I would call good ... He does not? What happens when after studying the Scriptures, the very definitions of sin, grace, mercy, and purpose come in to question, and I'm left unable to even grasp what the message of Jesus IS? What happens when I begin to realize that I cannot logically put my "trust" in the God of the Bible because our definitions of what is good, noble, and true are apparently so different from one another? It would by hypocrisy to say that I trust in Him at that point! (getting deeper and deeper here, better stop)...

It is at this point that Os Guinneses concludes that it would be "suicidal" claim to that type of faith. And it is where I find myself now. (don't get all worried and call the NorSac counseling hotline, I'm not saying I'm suicidal... I'm pointing to the fact that I must either "kill" my intellectual and rational self, or allow the faith that I've held for so long to "die").

And so ultimately, the trouble with ME is that I cannot say I believe the story of Jesus because the "evidence" of life and study of Scripture (particularly the study of God's awesome power and sovereignty) has so troubled my definitions that the very nature of the gospel message is blurry to me. THAT is my problem.

And THEM? Well, their problem is that they just don't understand my problem.

Lord help us all.

Chapter 7b - Pushed To Confront

** Be sure to read Chapter 7a first! **

"My boy," my father said, "I think the time has come for me to leave New Hope."
"Alright pops. Whats goin' on?"
And off we went.

My dad went on to explain that he and his wife (my step-mom) had been thinking and praying and felt a call to give more attention and focus to their undeniable, long-standing calling towards the people of ghetto in our city. (Just as an example... they live smack dab in the middle of said ghetto and have built a 1500 sq ft Teen Center in their backyard. My dad has also had a "gym" in his basement that he opens up for all the teenage kids in the area to come work out and hear about God.) Though I didn't doubt for a minute his sincerity, I pushed further, "Well... what does that have to do with leaving New Hope?" You have to remember that his church had been just about everything to us. Now don't take that to mean that we didn't love our families or that we did not love Christ with everything we had... its just, New Hope was largely the battlegrounds of our lives... the place where we pursued our faith and good works. In some ways, you could say that our entire life was invested there. Yes, that analogy fits perfectly. We FULLY invested our Christian lives in New Hope. Very little diversification in our spiritual portfolio.

Yeah yeah, what about this CONFRONTATION? Read on...
And so that night I pushed my father to explain further why he felt that this calling to ministry in the ghetto required him to leave our church. To be honest, I don't remember what he told me that night or if he gave much of an answer at all. But, I do know that he admitted that there was something more to the story. I know this because I told him that he owed it to the leaders of the church to tell them completely what was going on. He couldn't just up and leave. He said he'd think about it.

The next day, he called me on the cell phone with a marked difference in his voice. He told me that he had spoken with his good friend of thirty years, Tommy. Not surprisingly, Tommy had encouraged him along the same lines I did. And so, my father wrote out all that was on his mind, what would later be known as the infamous Eleven-Page-Letter (henceforth referred to as the "EPL").

But what brought this all about? Where was this coming from? I'd like to tell it all in gruesome, gory details... but it would not be fair to anybody involved. So, I'll tame it down, change names, and summarize the stories down as best I can.

One particular week, my step-mom was verbally assaulted at home by a member of the church (cussing, yelling, etc). This type of stuff is not completely foreign to anybody who has ever served as a pastor (or as a pastor's wife), but of course it cannot be taken lightly either. When my father and step-mom tried to talk to the couple about it later, they were unwilling to apologize and refused to talk about what happened. That week at the weekly elder's meeting, the issue was brought up and my father was assured that the issue would be addressed by the senior pastor and one of the other pastors. They suggested my dad stay out of it until some progress could be made. Three weeks later, the couple turned in their keys to the church announcing they were no longer going to be members. But then, a twist... the church secretary informed my father that this couple was approached by the two pastors and asked to stay at the church. They were encouraged to stay as members, but to stop going to services on Sunday morning so as to avoid contact with my dad. Stranger still, they were encouraged to remain in ministry... the mid-week Music Ministry (one of the areas of the church asked my father to oversee). And so, my father was baffled to find a couple serving in the ministry he oversaw who had recently cussed out his wife, were unwilling to talk about the event, and definitely unwilling to apologize for it. And all of this without a word being said to my father about it from the other pastors. Even more importantly, there was still no progress towards reconciliation between the couple and my father and step-mom.

You would think this would be a simple thing.. after all, yelling and cussing at somebody is unkind in a very basic way. And in fact, it should have been easy to achieve reconciliation, for my father and step-mom loved this particular couple in a very real way. But the conflict got messier as the couple not only refused to get together and talk about the incident, but the senior pastor did nothing to intervene, and even went so far as to say that my father and step-mom were out of line to push for the issue to be addressed. And as this mole hill grew to the size of a mountain, evidence surfaced of long-standing slander and gossip from the mouth of another elder against my father. Worse yet was that this habit of gossip had been witnessed several times over the years by many people, yes the elder had a reputation as a gossip... and his failure to control his tongue continued without much attention or action from the senior pastor.

WHAT A MESS!

It was through trying to resolve this conflict that my father was left convinced that the leadership of the church had failed in its role to protect the congregation. Though in the past he had spoken out against unjust leadership decisions, he had weakened in recent years in his resolve to do so every time. In the past, he had put his position on the line, willing to remove himself from office if the leadership continued down certain paths. However, his failure to stand up for what was right every time had contributed to the mess he now found himself in as the failures of the broken leadership had now touched his own home.

My father had witnessed other serious problems as well, beyond what I'm listing here, including a regular pattern of forgetfulness by the senior pastor... to the point of forgetting critical pieces of the puzzle when needing to make an important decision that affected the lives of real people. Of course, you can't fault a man's character for forgetting... but there does come a time when that inability to remember can cause some serious pain.

As these things became evident in my father's mind and heart, he also was reminded of other decisions the leadership had made, equally disturbing (and some worse), that caused him to be unwilling to continue on as part of the leadership any longer. He was no longer willing to have his name attached to what he saw was obviously unrighteous leadership.

As I re-read this, it does not seem to do the damage justice... it sounds like the grumblings of disgruntled schoolgirls. But I assure you, the stories behind this brief summary would enrage any person, believer or otherwise. Would it be a bit odd to have an elder of a church publicly joking about the weight of a member of the church... indeed about how her "boobs" jiggled as she danced? Or would it be distressing to know that yelling was as much a part of elder's meetings as prayer? Or would it bother you to know that after a wife was discovered to have been scratching herself(from despair and psychological distress) while in the shower ... the focus of the church was on how she had "wronged" her husband by doing so? She was then forbidden from taking showers for the next three months. ... (some stories slightly amended here to try to provide anonymity for those involved)

It is these types of things that occurred behind closed doors, away from the public eye. And as a matter of fact, my father bears some responsibility for them, for he too fell into many of the same mistakes of an overzealous leadership. (he has since apologized to many people, more on that later) Over the years, there were many times he fought against it, but because he did not stand and fight for what was right all of the time, in some respects he was as guilty as the others.

But now the failures of the leadership had come knocking on his OWN door, and so he became uncomfortably and personally aware of these failures in a brand new way.

My father determined that the leadership needed to change and his EPL called for quick action. The first ten pages outlined the failures in which he had played a part and others that he had been witness to. On the last page, he suggested that both elders (the senior pastor and other pastor) had been found according to Scripture failed in their call to leadership (one for gossip and slander, the other for an unwillingness to stop such things). Because of this, he wrote, "though it troubles me to suggest it, me, or somebody else" must pastor the church during the interim and that the church IMMEDIATELY find a new senior pastor. The plan called for the senior pastor to remain at same pay, but to be moved to a teaching role instead since he had failed to protect the congregation from a loose lipped elder. The EPL called for the other elder/pastor was to be removed from office due to his gossip and slander.

As for a suggested replacement pastor, my dad suggested that "The Axeman" be sought to come back from his studies and mission-work in the Netherlands. The Axeman had grown up in the church as the son of one of its founding pastors, but left left to pursue formal education at a Bible College. The Axeman was a young, but powerful minister and my father felt he had the education and background knowledge of the church to be able to rescue this church from any further damage. The EPL suggested he be brought in as an elder (at first) with the intentions of moving him in to the role as Senior Pastor years later.

And so, the EPL was complete and ready for presentation. At first, not desirous to confront the issues at hand, and then passionate about what he wrote, my father was now willing to lay it all on the line and in the end walk away if necessary.

But as my father reviewed the letter with his friend Tommy, who had suggested its writing, a curious twist to the story occurred. Though they had been through it all together over many years, and Tommy agreed on all of the failures testified to in the letter, he told my father not to read it. Why? Because Tommy was worried that the elders would interpret the letter as an attempt to take over the church. He told my father that the other elders wouldn't HEAR any of the letter's truth. That instead they would hear and focus on one thing: that my father wanted control of the church. And therefore, after prodding my dad to write the EPL, Tommy warned my dad and asked him to refrain from giving any suggestions as to the remedy... to stick only to the accusations.

But would my dad view Tommy's prediction as a good justification for not pursuing justice and righteousness and standing up to the failures in leadership?

How would the EPL be perceived?

How would the confrontation meeting go? According to who?

That and more... in Chapter 7c - Things Get Messy

** Continue the story with Chapter 7c **

Sunday, November 20, 2005

A dialoge with Mr. D

(The following was originally posted as a comment to a previous post, but the I'd like to elevate this "discussion" to a more visible place... and so, it has morphed into a full fledged POST! *oohs-aahhhhs abound from the audience. This is written by a friend of a friend, a man of faith in response to what he is witnessing in my spiritual journey.)

Miroslav -

I have the advantage of reading your web page and coming to know of your walk through life, but I realize that the same is not possible for you as I do not have a blog. So I thought it fitting for me to share a bit of my perspective so that you understand a bit of me. Hopefully I won’t bore you to death!

When I was raised as a child my father, who is not a Christian, taught me somehow a reverence for truth. I do not think he taught it on purpose- but more accidentally. At any rate, I did not go to church and was “amused” by those who did. I do not think I actually met someone who knew what it meant to be a Christian, at least in any discussions we had. I enjoyed talking to Christians and abusing their weak notions of faith. I was very interested in world views, and about as intellectual as a son of a farmer gets.

Two people I met in junior college were to change me forever. They not only had confidence in what they believed but they also had answers about the world around me. To put it simply, I rejected their “invitation”, smiling at it, but on the inside I was rattled. I went home and read the book of Revelation, since it was a book they seemed to cite a lot. How many people do you know who have found Christ through the book of Revelation? After reading it, I was convicted enough to pray to God, not the typical sinner’s prayer, but an earnest prayer nonetheless. I prayed, “God, if you are really there, then show me.” Somehow God honored that prayer, and I am still not sure why. I think implicit in my prayer was that if I found Truth, then I would pursue it wholeheartedly, wherever it might take me. I did not state it in my prayer, but I believed that a man should follow truth, even though it might require courage.Anyway the next day I had what I call a small revelation, in which God not only showed me his reality, but in a few seconds showed me how he had intervened in my brief life of 19 years. I was completely alone, in tears, and strongly gripped in the presence of God. How many people do you know who accept Christ on their own, unassisted by others?

I later married one of the people who testified to me at college, which is a nice connection to tell people about. But the reason I am telling you about all this (if you haven’t gone to sleep by now) is that I strongly believe Christ will honor your seeking truth. The key to your pursuit, I believe, is that you are committed completely to follow that truth wherever it may take you.

The Biblical passage to suggest this? Christ not only said I am the way, but he also said he is the truth. I do think your pursuit of truth is admirable. I met the Christ of Truth before I met the Christ of the Way, and it was to that truth I totally surrendered. How did it change my world view? I was totally involved in evolution, thought I had the world figured out, and was adept at making my point. Those first few months I had to rethink an awful lot of things, and there were many times I felt like I was being ripped apart mentally. It was a gruesome experience, not unlike the kind of experience given by Lewis in The Great Divorce. It felt like it was costing me everything I was, and I suppose the calling does indeed do that.So as far as I am concerned you can ask me anything, doubt everything, but have to be committed to finding Truth. If that is the way you are approaching this, you will do well on your journey. If not, then perhaps you need to mend your pursuit somewhat.

So does that make everything as clear as mud? Anyway I do thank you for inviting me to share your blog. I enjoy discussions and thoughts and things. Can you tell?

Mr. D


** Our previous comments:
Mr. D said...
C.S. Lewis of course came to faith from the opposite side. That is while you were reared in a church that perhaps emphasized feeling, and while a child you perhaps learned to feel and sense the presence of Christ.

Lewis,on the other hand,had a remote history (though he did indeed have a great grandfather who had been a reverend)from Christianity. He did struggle with girls and sexual behavior that was wild. But his history was remote in the sense that he was very well educated, and had not the feeling.
So he approached God from a knowledge basis, but in the end decided that he had to trust.Do you see what I mean when I am saying that is sort of the opposite spectrum from you? I think you are questioning and gaining your world views now, rather than at first.
Would you agree with that?


Miroslav said...
Mr. D,Thank you for your input! TRULY appreciated!

Yes, I agree that I was given the tools to be able to trust God emotionally and spiritually early on in life. But I don't know that my knowledge suffered as a result. Not sure if that is an implication from your comment.
I gained strong world views through my emotional and spiritual trust in Christ which propelled me to gain more knowledge of the Scriptures and Christian theology to support, challenge, and change said views. So yeah, it appears that our journey (mine vs that of C.S. Lewis) is very much the opposite.
Unfortunately, though my heart still desires to trust God and I've pursed education of the Bible and understanding of God's ways, I'm now left with a faith that could only be called "shaky" on a good day. I've gone my whole life questioning my faith and accepting the answers that Christ (and the Bible) give. Now, I don't have faith in those answers.
I agree that I am now questioning my world views and beliefs IN THEIR ENTIRETY for the first time in my adult life. Before my questions where always asked with an underlying faith in Christ and the Bible supporting my search for Truth. So this is a whole new ballgame for me now.
More thoughts from you on this path please!

Friday, November 18, 2005

PHOTO - Too Cute Dang It!


What a woman (in the making)... She has already figured out how to make the boys treat her like a princess. Grrr....

PHOTO - Little Pirate Boy


I love my little boy. And my little boy loves pirates.

Thursday, November 17, 2005

Chapter 7a - Doomed Repetition

"My boy," my father said, "I think the time has come for me to leave New Hope."
"Alright pops. Whats goin' on?"
And off we went.

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Now, to really understand what the heck is going on here, I have to backup a bit. But the problem is that backing up would take ENTIRELY too long, for the complete story cannot be contained in a single post to a blog. As a matter of fact, the entire story could not be told in anything less than a series of books, I imagine. And probably fairly long drawn out books at that!

So instead, I will give a woefully insuffecient summarization of the church that was New Hope. Though the church persists to the day of this writing, I will speak of it in the past tense since I am writing of its past, and I only have historical knowledge of it... that is to say, I really can't fairly comment on its current state. After I share what I know of New Hope's history, I will tell of its most recent, but certainly not its last (if we judge by it's history) , tale of deconstruction.

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Read about its roots...
New Hope was a church that was born out of a much larger church called The Local Church (though it goes by many different names I think) . I don't claim to know much about The Local Church (heck, as I'm writing this, I seem to be remembering that maybe they don't like to be called The Local Church... oh well... I don't know what other term to use so...).

Anyhow, The Local Church is claimed by some to be a cult, or at least having "cultic behavior unbecoming of the church." The Local Church, of course, denies it with much passion. Wether a full fledged cult or not, some stories I've been told about their fairly recent activity is at the very least quite , um... extreme. One story told by family members of mine tells of a time that The Local Church in our area held public protests in front of many of the large, well-respected churches in our community. If memory serves correct, the story tells of Local Church'ers wearing white aprons to attract attention as they marched around the parking lot of these other churches holding up huge protest signs saying things like, "THIS IS NOT GOD'S CHURCH" or something to that effect. So... pretty far out there stuff. And this wasn't like back in the 30's or something, this would be less than 50 years ago... mid-70's I'd guess.

I don't know the exact year it happened but I believe that The Local Church in our area SPLIT from The Local Church's greater demonination. They went non-denominational. Unfortunately, not horribly long after that, the pastor of the church who had lead the congregation out from under this proportedly cultish church became pretty heavy handed authority-wise himself! I wasn't there, but from the way the story was told to me, at a leader's meeting he told the group that he had a dream that confirmed that he was to be given more authority, and that one of the elders who was continually fighting him on issues was to be removed from leadership. (I beg forgiveness if I've totally hacked this background story to smithereens... I wasn't there, so this is all second/third hand and I'm patching the story together as best I can in my mind.)

Basically, a group of people became convinced that something was not quite right with that whole situation and decided to leave the church. A typical, messy church split occured... some left, some stayed. The people that left started meeting in somebody's living room to pray and read the Bible and such and over time it turned in to a full-fledged church. My father, was one of the people that helped to start the church. He was a founding member, the worship director, and unpaid and un-official pastor to the congregation... a pillar in this new church... "New Hope"

So... take that and add to it over twenty years of life investment. What was the product?

Well, 100% of my family (on my dad's side) was a part the church. Nine out of twelve of my mother-in-law's family were a part of the church. And friendships were deep and long standing. The church became ingrown. Focused more on itself, its community and wealth of long-standing relationships rather than focused on the core messages of Christ and relationship with Him.

Now ... how does the quote go? (quick google lookup) ... 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' ... yeah, thats it.

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So thats how things were. When my dad approached me and we began talking, I was completely and entirely built in to New Hope and had been since childhood. Son of the worship director... All of my relationships, friendships, and family members were there. My spiritual mentors and teachers. All were there. And it all seemed so RIGHT to me.

You see, there was a subtle, but undeniable, cultish church culture at New Hope that I had subscribed to (I'm ashamed to say). Looking back now, I can see that the ideology was very cult like. A subtle ideology that made people feel so good... but only once they broke in to the group. You were accepted and loved. But you could never leave... not without first being put down, or having your spiritual maturity questioned, or worse. It was BY FAR the exception to have friendships outside of the church... it was all so focused on US. It was something along the lines of, "If you aren't with us, you are against us." Or actually probably more along the lines of, "If you are not with us, you are immature in your faith, or not seeing clearly, or in sin, or all of the above."

My father subscribed to this thought process also and in many ways propogated it in some of his leadership failures. Again, I have to state that it was in very subtle ways. Or as a friend of mine describes it, in a very sophisticated way. It was not so out in the open as I make it sound here, for if it was it would have been quickly put down and crushed. No, this poison was sly, hard to pin down, and yes... it was sophisticated.

In addition to this spiritual arrogance, the church was non-denominational... that is to say, it was not governed by a larger body of believers and pastors. It was an island. And of course, that is always very dangerous.

New Hope had always embraced the responsibility given by Scripture to the church to measure out church discipline. They were willing and ready to excommunicate when needed to (thought I do not intend to imply that they took any pleasure in doing so). Church discipline is one thing, but on many occasions I would hear first time visitors that I brought to the Sunday service bring up the topic of authority. Somehow, they would nearly always mention that they "loved the worship... it was amazing"... but that the church seemed "a bit too authoritarian" for their taste. They were likely unaware of the depth of problem and/or trying to be polite but somehow, in just one visit, they knew something was wrong. All that is to say that the church had a reputation (by those who were not members) as being overly authoritarian.

We, the members, wrote them off as loonies of course. : )

The church progressed farther into to Authoritarianism when the senior pastor launched a self-written marriage class called the Agonia. Heavy on legalism, short on grace... this small-group marriage class did in fact help many severely troubled marriages find help. As a matter of fact, I learned a lot about the Bible and marriage in it. But, as the success of the course grew, so did the participation level of the church. Soon, nearly all married couples in the church were enrolled, had graduated, were teaching, or were being pressured to take the class. And at the core of the Agonia teaching was a dangerous teaching... "If you say its white, and the other 9 people in the room say its black. It is black. There is no COSMIC exception!" And when somebody in the class would refuse to accept the course of action called for by their peers... up the chain of command the issue went... first to the leaders of the group, then to the elders, all the way to the head pastor's desk, where the buck stopped. Of course, most of the time... this way of approaching issues will work. Afterall, there is safety in numbers. And the head pastor was not a bad man. He was loving and cared for those in his congregation.

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Now realizing that I could write on this stuff forever, let me end this Chapter by saying that in all likelyhood, things would probably have continued for quite some time in this state had the twistedness of all of this not touched my father's own home.

But it did.

History had set the stage, warning signs had not been heeded, and the church was headed for disaster.

** Continue the story with Chapter 7b**

"WHAT A WOMAN!!"

I wish I had a better grasp of the English language. Or perhaps even if I did, words would fail me. Though I know my efforts will not fully capture the scope or depth, I must try.

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Read about my wonderful gal!

Last night, my wife and I walked together, hand in hand, through one long night in this terribly tragic and mysteriously joyful thing called life. We talked, and laughed, and cried together. It was one of those rare and precious moments when we were naked in spirit together and found another level of love to share as deep as could be imagined or hoped for. We held one another close while questioning everything about ourselves and one another. It was one of those talks that last until 2am... with the heights of the conversation coming in the dark, in bed... while half-asleep. At times we were ashamed, at other times proud of what we found inside ourselves. We were tempted to blame one another for hurts, but ultimately found that path to be foolishness. We returned to our senses and once again embraced our shared humanity that we are exploring and experiencing together during this strange new season of life.

Interrupting our talk was the sound of our precious daughter who has been having a hard time sleeping this week. But as she cried, and my dear wife would rise to tend to her, I smiled. Yes, a broad smile spread across my face as I hear the sound of my wife comforting my little girl. How rich is my life! And then my wife would return to bed, ready again to engage in this struggle for her husband's sanity and peace.

Though the night was not easy nor always pleasant. It was. And it was real. It brings to mind a night spent in a horrible storm. Stuck in a tent for safety, you huddle together for warmth and security. Though you toss and turn with discomfort, you finally find warmth and peace right there in the midst of it all and fall asleep. And in the morning, you rise to find that you have endured the storm together, and a bond was formed through it all. Yes, that is how I feel this morning as I see the clear blue skies and as I breathe the crisp cool air.

As last night wore on, the drama and torment of the issues at hand vanished in the presence of our love and dedication to one another. The torturous grip of pain and confusion was broken by the clarity of my wife's wonderful companionship and beauty. We found ourselves vulnerable before one another... and we enjoyed it.

And that is where my entry must stop, for I do not kiss and tell. ; )

"WHAT A WOMAN!!" I scream at the top of my lungs.

Today I read the lyrics to a song I've never heard. It reminds me of my love, my wife. In the midst of the storm of life, I've found a soul-mate, a friend, a companion and am learning to be one to her as well:
Bowl of Oranges, by Bright Eyes

The rain it started tappin'
On the window near my bed
There was a loophole in my dreamin'
So I got out of it
And to my surprise my eyes were wide and already open
Just my nightstand and my dresser
Where those nightmares had just been

So I dressed myself and left then
Out into the gray streets
But everything seemed different
And completely new to me
The sky the trees, houses, buildings, even my own body
And each person I encountered
I couldn't wait to meet

And I came upon a doctor
Who appeared in quite poor health
I said there's nothing that I can do for you you can't do for yourself
He said oh yes you can, just hold my hand, I think that that would help
So I sat with him awhile
Then I asked him how he felt

He said I think I'm cured
No, in fact, I'm sure of it
Thank you, stranger
For your therapeutic smile

So that's how I learned the lesson
That everyone's alone
And your eyes must do some raining
If you're ever gonna grow
And when crying don't help
You can't compose yourself
It's best to compose a poem
An honest verse of longing
Or a simple song of hope

That's why I'm singing baby don't worry
'Cause now I got your back
And every time you feel like crying
I'm gonna try and make you laugh
And if I can't
If it just hurts too bad
Then we'll wait for it to pass
And I will keep you company for those days so long and black

And we'll keep working on the problem
We know we'll never solve
Of love's uneven remainders
Our lives are fractions of a whole
But if the world could remain within a frame
Like a painting on a wall
Then I think we'd see the beauty then
We'd stand staring in awe

At our still lives posed
Like a bowl of oranges
Like a story told
By the fault-lines and the soil

Tuesday, November 15, 2005

For who I am...

Rough day today. This came pouring out. (11-15-2005)
For who I am…

Told from birth that I deserve death,
It is no wonder that I feel this way.

“It is by grace you have been saved!”
What is it that so threatens me that I need salvation?

“You have fallen short,” friend.
“Deny yourself! Deny, deny, deny.”

For so long I’ve tried to kill myself:
“More of Him, less of me.” And now I wonder why.

Am I so fearsome a beast that I need to be put to death?
Am I so purely a failed creation?

I long for a love that could love me entirely and completely,
A love that would not need to forgive me for being that which I am.
Does such a thing exist?

My heart sinks. I am alone.
A haunting self hatred, so deeply imbedded…
Noise that cannot be quieted…
Whispers of a faith dissolved.
“You are not good enough alone. You need to be forgiven.”

Does anyone care to know me for who I am?

And then?

Would they, could they, love what they would find?

Monday, November 14, 2005

A written confession

Thought I'd share the first time I put to paper the severity of my doubts. This was my first written confession of questioning Christ. I wrote it after talking with my father about the subject for several hours and I felt like I just wanted to clarify where I was at in my heart.

Pops,
Here is where I’m at:

24Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it."
26A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" 27Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my
side. Stop doubting and believe."
28Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
29Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed;
blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
My 100%-sold-out faith has died. It really has. I sensed it was dying quite a while ago as I began having doubts and questions that I could not find answers for. I’m not trying to say I deny that Christ is God. I just don’t know. I don’t have the firm faith I once had. I feel like Oprah. Not out saving souls… or preaching the gospel … I can’t deny that when I cry out, I’m sure I will cry out to Jesus.

It is obvious to me that God exists just by the sheer marvel of our universe. But beyond that, I feel like I have far too many questions to pretend that I know what THE ANSWER is.

What “killed” (at least for now) the faith that I once held so firmly?

1) Personal pain / injustice : From childhood stuff to New Hope stuff to friendship issues…
2) Global pain / injustice : Hurricanes, starving kids in Africa, wife beaters and child molesters
3) Intellect that I cannot push aside. Admittedly limited and finite, I cannot resolve major dilemmas I have with the “meat” type issues of scripture. As my emotional issues grew (items #1
and #2), I spent more and more time researching and reading hoping to find answers. I only found more questions and discovered that even the great thinkers of Church history had issues that could not be resolved. Somehow, however, they were able to find peace without final resolution. And so I’ve waited… and still am without peace.
I read an interesting quote in the book, “Disappointed with God”. Unfortunately, I lost the book and can’t recall the quote exactly… but in essence said something like:
“Any world view, no matter how firmly held, will eventually change given enough examples where it is proved wrong.”

I’m not saying my life pains, or global pains, or my intellect PROVE that the God of the bible doesn’t exist, but all those things tallied together sure do prove that I don’t have the answers!

I’ve said over and over again for the past 2 weeks something that dawned on me while reading through Wild at Heart for the third time. “The story just doesn’t make any sense to me any more…”

God appeared to Job, Paul, and Doubting Thomas. His appearance did not change their personal pains or global injustices, and they were not given all of the intellectual answers. His presence alone satisfied what their faith was lacking. I think that is what I need.

For whatever reason, God makes himself mysterious to us people. He doesn’t talk audibly, or show himself physically, or allow us to pin him down with reason. I don’t know why. But at this point, after plenty of hours studying, many hours praying in worship, and crying buckets of tears from how GUILTY I feel for losing my faith… I don’t know that its my effort that is lacking. Maybe I’m supposed to be in this place of disbelief? (Calvanism) … maybe I’m lacking in faith and will be held accountable for “wasted” time? (free will American churches) … or maybe ???

If God desires to reveal himself to me in such a way that causes me to trust in him despite my unresolved issues… I would absolutely love it. I really would ‘cause not having faith sucks. Until then… I think I’m just stuck.

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